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“I believe if you have certified seating for 12, you should have seat spaces for at least 30% more."

- Thomas Chatfield

Which is a good segue to really my biggest pet-peeve - and that’s seats. How truly awful most of them are on VVIP airplanes. I mean a lot of kids have been put through college on the backs of some of these old, outdated seat platforms. I have a sort of funny comparison that you may have heard me say before and that is...’they're really just Lazy Boys, right? And if you take the Lazy Boy from the 70s and you compare it to the Lazy Boys of today, the only difference is that in the 70s, you would ask your partner to change the channel and now we have a remote’. In some ways, that’s about all that's progressed for many of the chairs that still wind up on VVIP aircraft. Cabin design is being limited by the seats that are currently available. Suffice to say, this is an area begging for improvement!"

 

When asked about the recently popularized inflatable berthing systems, Chatfield replied:

 

“If I want to go camping, I'll put on my red checkered Plaid jacket. It’s a solution he admits, and of course they’ve found a market. But it’s not a long-term solution. In general, he says: “I believe if you have certified seating for 12, you should have seat spaces for at least 30% more people which means people can get up and sit in a different location to be able to have a conversation with someone else or simply retreat to a more private space. In most cases, unless you really know somebody very well, you don’t want to spend eight hours looking at the same person. It becomes uncomfortable for both of you.”

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Agreed. Can you talk to us about shower systems? I know the big consideration of course is weight...fresh and gray water, plumbing etc. I know Boeing used to have a system that recirculated the same 50 gallons over and over. Any thoughts?

 

“Well, you know Jeff Bonner’s group (JBRND) have some really good shower designs. I think you're sort of looking at two things. One is the mechanics, and one is the aesthetics, right? So, from that mechanics POV, I just accepted an aircraft recently and when I took a look at the water system, it was hugely complex. What they were trying to do and we're able to achieve was a recirculation of ‘hot’ water continuously within the lines which means that when I go to wash my hands at the sink or get in the shower, hot water is there relatively quickly. So, I think that's a very good idea but unfortunately nobody that I know of has found a simpler way to do it. I think a supplier like Monogram or others perhaps, have an opportunity to create something better and bring it to the marketplace.  

 

As for the Boeing system, recirculating the same 50 gallons – and cut the weight down that way, I think customer acceptance of that is still a ways away. It’s a good idea from a practical standpoint but most customers aren’t ready for that yet.  So, we have to ask the customer, how many showers a year, let’s say, will you be taking and is the trade-off of weight (which of course impacts range) worth it? Often when forced to examine the question, the answer is no. But in some cases, they just want it to have the ability to wash and refresh before landing. In that case, we go find them the best system out there at that moment."

 

Let’s talk contagion abatement, or air filtration for a minute. I'm a pretty big fan of ACA, a great company with a pretty amazing product. Can you tell us how you counsel your clients here in a post COVID world?

 

“Sure, so the classic air filtration is a simple HEPA filter on board, but then we also now have the plasma ionization system from ACA as you mentioned. Basically, what you're doing with that is you're able to take the mildew and bacteria and of course a very high percentage of the viruses out of the air that's recirculating through the cabin. So yes, I'm a big fan of that system too. I think it's a great solution and this is always a part of our conversations with the customer. Obviously, in the last few years it’s a conversation that’s come to the forefront and I think owners are now willing to pay for it because in the past it didn't mean as much. But now that narrative has all changed and people want to protect their families and guests, regardless of price. The reality is, that with a system like ACA’s, your breathing cleaner, far less contaminated air in your aircraft, than on the ground, if you're in a city."

 

This is where we drew our very enlightening conversation to a close - and so we’ll leave the completion oversight portion for another installment, but suffice to say, the business of purchasing and converting a transport category aircraft to VVIP is not something to enter into lightly...OR without expert guidance.

 

Mr. Chatfield and his company, Camber Aviation Management have a global reputation in this uniquely specialized field and they’re finding a growing market for their services – unfortunately earned on the backs of many bad experiences in prior decades when offerings like Camber’s, were largely nonexistent.

Mårten Hedlund, President Wall Street Luxury Europe

“It is with great pleasure that we announce our new cooperation with Camber Aviation Management. This cooperation is our direct response to the increasing number of requests to assist our UHNWI clients in their purchase and creation of their larger private jets. As proven by Camber’s recent winning of the “Best Private Jet Cabin Design – Concept” at The International Yacht & Aviation Awards 2021, they have some of the best expertise in the business and, combined with our additional financial and operational solutions, we now feel that we are a complete partner to our private jet clients”, says Mårten Hedlund, President Wall Street Luxury Europe

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For more information on Thomas Chatfield & Camber Aviation Management, vist:  camberaviationmanagement.com
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